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ZMC L2
ZMC L2
I spend over $7,000.00 a year with C2 for system subscriptions and for Collective2 Software Licenses. This developer has abandoned his systems and subscribers; leaving them in a devastating draw-down; even though he has worked his way out of similar draw downs in pre-subscriber simulations. Look at this system as the type of system you don't want to subscribe to. Multiple day trades that make it look like the developer knows what he's doing but subscribers never receive the same. These systems don't trade the same way after they have subscribers. The results in reality are different from the results in simulation.
ZMC L2
ZMC L2
No money management! Trade on margin and stay till the profit happens, if a bear market stay for some days they will lose all. Insane system.
Emerging S
Emerging S
I have reviewed C2 stock programs and found Emerging S is the best because:

1. High winning % - 86%.
2. Low draw down - 4.2%.
3. It has back tests upon request, with the max down around 13% during the Bear Markets.
4. Low cost.

I have asked the back test numbers for the last 2-Bear Market and last 5 pull backs. I know in Jan this year, the market was down more than 5% but Emerging S was up.

Please tell if I said anything wrong here or you find a better stock trading program.

Yulin
Value Management Portfolio
Value Management Portfolio
I 19ve subscribed to the system for about half year. So far, I 19m profitable. The system trades very infrequently. It 19s pretty suitable for people who have a regular day time work. I believe the developer has some edge in picking winning stocks, while it is obvious to confirm that will take longer period. If some short-term trading techniques could be incorporated into the system, it will be more attractive. I 19m looking forward to a consistent performance.

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Subject:System New Method - is not gold all that glitters
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A. Nevado
A. Nevado
This system don't reflect the reality in his stats, they are pretty worst as you can see.
And this is because the rollover:

To people dont know what it is, is a rate that normally you have to pay (sometimes you recieve) that is calculate between differences of interest rates between currencies.
We can see a example with EUR/AUD , rollover cost in FXCM is -1,39, and the system have opened 18 lots
Then each day that position are opened you have to pay 18x1,39=25$ day
Each month 25x20days=500$
This positions was open 4 months ago, that means 2000$ lost only with rollover in this position!

You can calculate for all positions that the systems have opened, and see that is very hard earn money with this system.

I dont understand why C2, have a lot of disclaimers about risks, etc. but never say nothing about this, that is so important! and in the calculations of earns, C2 calculate profit - comissions, but dont count nothing about rollover, that have more importance than comissions in FX systems.

If they add this, a winner system would change to losing system.

Id like to add this as review of the system, but unfortunatly i dont know why is not allowed the reviews on this system.

I lost a lot of money because this situation, i didnt know nothing about rollover fx until i discover it, because i was frustrating why my account instead grow up it drecase. Then the rest take care! you can think are earning a lot of money but the true is that you are losing money with this system as i did!
Subject:System New Method - is not gold all that glitters
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Mirrortrading Dot Com
Mirrortrading Dot Com
That's interesting. Thanks for your expertise.
Subject:System New Method - is not gold all that glitters
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Adam Majewski
Adam Majewski
I was wondering as well. I thought that rollover is calculated during closure of trade. So it means that long-term systems on c2 are ......strongly overestimated. So only day-trade system are rather ok.
Subject:System New Method - is not gold all that glitters
Posted by:
A. Nevado
A. Nevado
I want to clarify: this only happen for Forex, not futures or stocks.
Subject:System New Method - is not gold all that glitters
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Adam Majewski
Adam Majewski
Of course :-) I mean forex systmes.
Subject:ChampionTrader-ES Interesting data
Posted by:
John Taylor
John Taylor
Since May I have modified position sizing strategy for ChampionTrader-ES. Some interesting historical data:
1) For Base system,
Average return = 2000 USD per month
So, we are looking at 24,000 USD per year profits.
max DD = 5000 USD
Yearly Calmar with 5k maxDD = 24/5 = 5

2) For Current position sizing algorithm,
Average return = 4000 USD per month
So, around 50k profits per year profits
max DD = 8000 USD
Yearly Calmar with 8k maxDD = 50/8 = 6

Note:
(A) Historical backtesting data has many limitations. Futur results can differ from historical data
(B) System was being modified in Apr-May 2014 and was not being traded. Please ignore that Drawdown. It doesn't reflect the system. For further details, please PM. I will clarify and answer all your questions. Thanks. Best - John
Subject:GoldmetreB
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L A
L A
Free week on GoldmetreB. Check out it's impressive stats on the grid.

Lee
Subject:GoldmetreB
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pr trading
pr trading
nice, but what happened to goldmetre and goldmetreA?
Subject:GoldmetreB
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L A
L A
Different algo...what happened to your comedy career?
Subject:GoldmetreB
Posted by:
Jiong Shi
Jiong Shi
PRtrading- what is that big crater in your equity curve and why would someone risk that for pathetic returns?
Subject:GoldmetreB
Posted by:
pr trading
pr trading
Hi Jiong. The system had a 19% drawdown. Since inception its up over 57k or 57% of its starting pot.
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